Here’s a crazy thought, maybe I don’t completely understand this genre we call “Urban Desi”? Chances aren’t likely, simply because I pretty much know everything there is to know about anything, but let’s just say this is “hypothetically” the case.
Correct me if I’m wrong but this is my definition of “Urban Desi”: A genre where artists attempt to fuse the sounds of India (flute, tablas, hindi hook, etc.) with what we’ve learned to love here in the states (bass, hip-hop, pop, etc.) to produce a permutation of eastern and western music. (Maybe that’s why it is widely accepted in the UK, you know since it’s in the middle…man I crack myself up.) We’ve heard Jay, M.I.A and Timbaland successfully do this. So the problem isn’t that the music is “new” or that “Urban Desi” is in its infant stages, but more so the fact that the same people who embrace the music of Jay and M.I.A do not feel the same way about Urban Desi artists.
I think the first problem is change, we hate change. I know all of you would rather hear Jay, Fab, Biggie and Pac come out with new tracks instead of hearing some new guy release the most lyrically mind-blowing track (LUPE FIASCO). If Lupe’s lyrics were being fired out like a round of bullets from the mouth of Jay, he would have won “Best Rap Album” at the Grammy’s over Whack Wayne, oops I mean Lil’ Wayne. Sorry if I offended anyone, cough*JASON*cough.
Second and almost certainly the main cause to this epidemic is us, the South Asian community. Yes, I said it and I am not the only one who thinks so. As I was pre-gaming Saturday night (which in due course resulted with my head in a toilet at the end of the night, thank you MSU) someone said something to me that I’ve heard many times before -- “Indians are the most self-hating people”. Although I do not agree with this statement in its entirety, there is still some truth to it. Why is it that when we hear “Lean with it, rock with it” by Dem Franchise boys (worst name ever) we see every desi dancing with a gangsta lean, but when we hear “Bhangra 2 Step” by the Bilz we head straight to the bar so we don’t lose our buzz? Both tracks are equally dreadful. But it is probably because it’s cool to “Lean with it” because in the video JD was doing it while in the Bilz video it was, well, The Bilz doing it.
I think the only solution to this problem is having one of our very own artists’ breakthrough the scene (much like the Jonas Brothers did) so he/she is considered “cool” and we can be proud of one of our own! I know you guys are thinking, “Well M.I.A made it”, but honestly she is so bad-ass, she went ahead and created her own genre of music. Who the hell really knows how to define what it is, but its gangster and everyone loves it. And so we’re back to square one - what if we don’t have anyone “cool” enough in the Urban Desi scene right now?
Luckily I have a solution for all you Urban Desi artists trying to make it. Once you are ready to admit that you don’t have the swagger to be widely accepted (remember, the first step is admitting you have a problem) here in the states, the next step is to have someone who does have that rare ability to attract large audiences on your track…so maybe some of that “cool-ness” rubs off on you.
Kidd Skilly did it with “Ni Sohniye” when he brought Akon into the booth and guess what? It acutally worked. There was so much buzz around that track when it came out that even people who refrain from listening to “desi” music had to hear it for themselves. You all know I’m not a huge fan of singing (especially in a foreign language) but don’t tell me it wasn’t tight hearing Akon sing in Punjabi. I may not understand the hook but I bet you any money I can sing it word for word. The song was catchy and had a real nice vibe to it, but once again, it was one of those club tracks. Look, I’m okay with club tracks but I believe that an artist should have a few follow up tracks with that same sort of hype that aren’t intended for disco parties. I’m sure Skilly did not expect one song to put him in the spotlight permanently but once you tease us with a mainstream artist, we want more. It’s our nature, we’re greedy ass Americans. A lot easier said than done, I know, so big ups to Witnis for at least having the right idea. I am anxious to hear who is next.
What can we take away from all of this? A) Americans are greedy and don’t accept change unless it is of monetary value B) Indian Americans make it nearly impossible for you to succeed as if it wasn’t already hard enough. C) You need to have a huge bankroll to make bangers. I realize this sucks and wish it wasn’t the case but I’m about to go MLK on you guys real quick to motivate you: I have a dream, one day we will see Urban Desi artists on MTV (not MTV Desi); 15 yr old girls and boys (all sizes and colors) will be buying your poster and hanging it on their bedroom wall; and your CD will be sold in Target and not the local Indian grocery store next to the week old samosas. We might not see it tomorrow but I have faith, one day we will prosper…
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I agree with urban desi's having mainstream artists on their tracks. It will definitely break the barrier and get them out of the pigeonhole they are in, but it will only take them sooo far.
ReplyDeleteThis leaves me with the question.... how many tracks can you put out there with a mainstream artist before you are recognized as an individual?
Also, Skilly had one track with Akon, which for the most part was good, but how many people listened to it cuz of Skilly. The buzz that you speak of....isn't it fair to say that it was Akon that created it?
The Indians that once were against Urban Desi artists now flooded the bandwidths trying to download the new song. A little hypocritical...don't you think?
So what is this going to accomplish at the end? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. It's only a treatment, not a cure to an everlasting "epidemic."
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ReplyDeleteThere are 2 topics being crossed here. Urban Desi artists would love to go mainstream, hell which artist wouldn't want to do that. An artist like Kidd Skilly, claims only to make Urban Desi music for his genre of people. Skillys fans around the world are his fans because of HIS music not because he did 1 song with Akon. He has his own genre of music.... no one can replicate that effect. (Watch this video of a Kidd Skilly Interview in the U.K. @ BBC Radio: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv8OgppbGc8 )
ReplyDeleteIf Skilly wanted to go for mainstream fame after releasing Ni Sohniye w/ Akon, I am sure he would have had Akon sing a more mainstream hook. Having Akon sing in punjabi did more for the South Asian crowd than the mainstream market and that’s how the track should be viewed. Skilly got a superstar to bring new mainstream light to the Urban Desi scene by doing such collaboration. Yes, having a mainstream collaboration will open you up to that artist's fan base as well but that’s not how the industry works. At the end of the day it depends on the PR, Marketing, Distribution and the whole 9 yards that people forget about (these people can be referred to as SUIT'S) who make a big impact on where a single can be taken. The buzz may have been because of Akon but that track created new fans for Skilly let alone brought excitement to the thousands of South Asians who are already his fans.
At the end of the day, you have to see what the intentions of the artist are. If an artist says he’s an Urban Desi artist, it means he’s making music for the Urban Desi Genre and you have to judge it for what it is. That doesn’t mean giving credit where it’s not due but it means you should look at what an artist does for their culture. Panjabi Mc has his song picked up by Jay-z and Beware of the boys is created, suddenly Panjabi Mc is a hero to the South Asians for having a great artist like Jay-z on it. Where is that same amount of respect from all the “Industry Critics” for Kidd Skilly? When I refer to “Industry Critics”, I mean people who state their opinion based on what they think they know about the South Asian music when in fact their information is based on nothing more than false hopes and their insight. I would love an actual person who works in this Industry to state their opinion on topics like this instead of bitter desi party promoters who think they have an impact on the careers of Urban Desi Artists.
-Chintan
Dude, I don't care who these guys get on their tracks. Jay Z, Eric Clapton, Akon, whoever the hell they want, people will listen to it because of those high profile artists and not because of these urban Desi artists, until/if they make it. Shamik is dead on! But as Chintan said, "Urban Desi" pertains to the South Asian scene, so it's a toss up based off your view of it.
ReplyDeleteLike you said, "maybe that cool-ness will rub off"........umm yeah right. If your gonna make it, do it yourself and do it big. If you need another artist on your track to get recognized, you have a big problem. You should get popular, sell CD's, sell out arenas, because of YOU.
And with Wayne, please tell me the last time an artist before him sold 1,000,000 copies in one week? Agreed he needs to get off these FUGAZERS on autotune, but when he raps he spits as hard as anyone out there. It's not his fault he knows how not to be an artist along with being an entertainer. If you didn't notice, he was on PTI, CBS Late Night with Katie Couric, Around the Horn, has a blog on ESPN, etc. Whack? More like a short, dreaded, money machine that I'm proud to say I'm a fan of and arugably one of the most successful artists/entertainers in his industry.
I think if Wayne met you Niraj, he would say, "I'm a shark in the water, you just LONG JOHN SILVER!"
DING DING DING!!!! In the blue corner, Chintan, in the red corner, Niraj, FIGHT!
ReplyDeleteFirst things first, I really hope you are questioning shamik's credibility with music and not mine, cause if you want to go toe to toe with me on music we can do it, I'll even let you pick the genre.
Second, I think you may have misinterpreted my words. When I say Urban Desi artists aren't widely accepted here in the states, I don't mean you are trying to attempt “mainstream”. I am saying you aren't accepted by your own people (thats why I said "us" when I was referring to the South Asian community, here in the states), keep in mind that South Asians do not only exist in India and the UK. If you want to be accepted in the South Asian community as a whole, you will have to grab the attenion of listeners in the US as well. I don't think you have to be in the industry to understand that, you can very well be a bitter desi party promoter (btw, don't you still throw parties?)Anyways, I give props to skilly and Witnis for getting Akon on a track and have him sing in punjabi, I think its a huge accomplishment for the scene (Urban Desi). It was entertaining and really broadened the horizons of this genre cause no one ever heard anything like that before. Personally, I think we need more of that (temporarily) to help the scene, here in the states at least.
Also, let me make it very clear that I understand what the intentions of the artist are. Make music for their people, target the niche market. Keep in mind, your niche market is a community that is spread throughout the globe. And the community is actually nurtured by their surrounding so its fair to say that not everyone in the community has the same taste. And as much as you might not thinks so, this very same community wants to see their own people succeed, and thats why we give our input. So you have "industry critics" like myself, trying to help by giving you our input but then "industry players" like yourself get defensive when they hear someone from the “outside world” bring up their name in a post (even tho I didn’t even take any shots, rather I was complimenting him), it's kind of counterproductive, no?
I would also like to add that the "I have a dream" speech I gave at the end of my post was not for individual urban desi artists to go “mainstream”. It was for the genre as a whole to breakthrough and get recognition. How many Urban Desi artists do you see in Target, Sam Goody, wherever they are selling cds now a days? I want to see Kidd Skilly and all the other Urban Desi artists in these big stores so the corporations understand that there are people who will buy this Urban Desi music, ya dig?
Man, I can't believe how much this blog has bothered me, haha. Last night I had to tell my roommate can we please bump some PAC!!!
ReplyDeleteSo I'm a little slower on this whole topic, probably because I don't care as much but I do find it interesting. But what I find more interesting are peoples reactions.
I hate to take one side over another, but on the battle of making this personal, well it shouldn't be done. Now that it has been done, it's time to have some fun (FAIR WARNING, I don't give two shits what any of you think so your going to read exactly what I feel)
A timeline might best describe this situation...
1. 2:53 PM, blog post posted
2. 4:23 PM, Chintan (from Witnis) comments
3. 5:27 PM, Kidd Skilly throws a note on Fbook, staking his claim, addressing these "fools" who write blogs.
So that's how the story goes. Let's take a look at the facts. Are you fucking kidding me? In less then three hours there is a post on Facebook attacking bloggers, this one in specific. Do you have a conference call around this blog post? I mean what the fuck! To say you don't care about bloggers or what they think and yet your right on point after a blog post to make yourself look better (try to) then whats presented? Not only that, you don't even have enough marbles to post it here, you post it on Facebook. Yeah I said it, like my boy Tanaka from Major League II, "you have no marbles." I'd love to see you be a man and call a blogger or anyone a fool to his face, way to use the power of the internet to hide your bitchness. BTW, I'm not hiding mine, if you want to get in touch with me let me know and I can give you my contact info.
So here is my question to you, whether you choose to address it here (which I know your going to read sometime in the next 2 hours and 37 minutes) or on Facebook. If your not striving for mainstream, then what are you striving for?
So you brought Akon to the Indian scene? You paid Akon to show him your side of the road? Come on dogg, are you kidding me? If I was an artist my goal would be to be on MTV, to sell 1,000,000 records in a week, and to sell out arenas all over the world (primarily the US). I have a hard time believing that if your not shooting for the best, what are you shooting for?
For someone who does this shit "24/7" you seem way to worried about the "9/5" blogger who does this as a hobby. Isn't trying to be an artist your profession? Worry about that Kidd.
BTW, I would have posted this on your note on Facebook, but I'm not your friend (someone sent me your note). If you want to add me, my name's Jason Master and I"ll be more then happy to place this comment on your note. Cheerio....
ReplyDeleteUmm... True story, your not hot if you don't have a storng fan base. And if your target demographic doesn't fuck with you. Find another profession, or switch up your approach! I'm not South Asian, but I hear what you guys are saying... To feature a high profiled artist is a tool you use to "cross over" or reach people you normally don't reach. Unfortunately with new artist they don't have an extensive enough catalog or a big enough fan base to turn that "quick buzz" into a "big bang" that results in millions of units sold. It'sreally a gamble. But Jason's right, if you want to be successful, at least in music, build your fan base, attack all listeners, and when your up to bat, swing away! And Shouts out to Witness
ReplyDeleteMy bad.. Witnes
ReplyDeleteAnd low key... Where's the follow up? Like was the song with Akon the big ticket? Your supposed to hit listener's in the head w/ something even crazier after that. That should've been an appetizer for the main course... Listener's are hungry for new music, relevance is vital in the music industry.
ReplyDeleteBut truth be told. Their are Artist and Camps that can't even get Akon on their hooks. So that's big! Huge in fact. I tip my cap to you Witnes boys. But there's more to be done, and I know you guys just got back from the U.K. So keep reaching for your goals...
ReplyDeleteAnd let me clarify myself, I'm not in the music industry nor am I an artist. My comments are my opinion, and based off of my personal perception of the music industry. With that said. Peace to those who know me. Shouts to the boys in Austin, without this blog I'd be bored in class.
ReplyDeletei was gonna comment on the more recent post (which was straight ether) but it seems to be MIA now, so i'll write here.
ReplyDeletebut first of all, niraj, how you gonna sully obama's slogan like that? when we voted for change 3 months ago, pretty sure many of us reading this blog did not expect to directly gain "monetary value" from that decision (in fact, the opposite is true). I do, however, expect a better country.
Ok, enough of the political tangent, back to the matter at hand. I agree with Jason's point above - "If your not striving for mainstream, then what are you striving for?"
That's not to say every artist lives and dies by going mainstream, but is that not the goal? 95% of record labels (statistic has not been verified), even indies, are businesses that want to make as great a return on investment as possible. Right?
Lastly, this is a blog. A blog about music (and the culture around it). And like the discussion of anything, but especially art and especially in a blog, opinions are involved. Even critical opinions. That's what makes it a real discussion and not an advertisement/propaganda.
Keep it real niraj.
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ReplyDeleteToo bad you decided to take that post down, that was some quality writing. And Franc Gusteau, I don't know maybe it's a french thing or something but this blog isn't gchat
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